Going to give you a demonstration, now, of Straightwire. This is Straightwire against a psychogalvanometer.

You understand that this Straightwire could be administered on a sort of a gunshotl basis just into one life, simply by taking the Chart of Attitudes and asking the preclear every time he has had this attitude toward somebody else in an effort to inhibit them or to enforce them to do something. You understand that that would comprise Straightwire, and is a complete Straightwire in itself.

Or you could take the Chart of Attitudes and ask the preclear to run or remember a time - and every time - that he had received this counter-attitude to something he wanted to do.

Or you could take both of these together and that would be actually a very broad processing.

Now, we know about counter-effort. Counter-effort's very simple. One individual hits another; the individual who is doing the striking is putting out the effort, the individual who is receiving it receives that blow as a counter-effort.

Or you could take the entire Handbook for Preclears from beginning to end - with the overt act added to it - and you would have a very complete process on just Straightwire,

Counter-emotion is a little less tangible, but nonetheless real. You have many times walked into a room where you knew people had been talking about you, where you knew something was not well, where a quarrel had been occurring. You know the emotion or atmosphere of a sickroom, for instance, or of a sick person. You receive these things as counter-emotion.

All right. I've handed the preclear the cans. Going to turn on this machine and turn it up here to a point where we get reading on the needle. And I've turned the sensitivity increase up to horizontal. The machine is warmed up. And we have the machine set now with the sensitivity increase at about 8:30 with the tone handle clear down to 1.5, with the range expander at 0.5, which is all the way off, practically. And we're going to ask this preclear some questions, now, against the machine.

Counter-emotion is relatively indefinite. Actually counter-emotion to some degree contains perceptics - counter-perceptics. You pick up somebody getting counter-emotion, and the first thing you know, he's also picking up the perceptions of things.

Now, this is a process of Straightwire which would be an effort to find the principal maybe in a person's life which, if sprung, would make him come up the Tone Scale a bit.

If you ask anyone who is rather apathetic who around him was angry, and then try to persuade him to feel that anger as a counter-emotion, this person will tell you immediately the anger doesn't exist - the counter-anger does not exist. They're doing a terrific dive. But if you persuade them a little bit, they'll be able to find out the counter-emotion of somebody who is enduring - that's close to their tone band. And if you persuade them to do this, then they can find out what the feeling is of counter-emotion of fear. They can find incidents in their lives when people have been afraid, and they feel that fear themselves It is the fear of the other person against them, like a wave. And then you can build them up to the anger. And they will find that the anger, as a counter-emotion, sort of hangs against them rather heavily like a dark cloud.

[Note: During this auditing demonstration, a commentator provides additional information regarding the preclear's reactions on the E-Meter.]

In such a wise, people who are very happy emanate, and people around them feel this emanation. That's counter-emdtion in action.

LRH: All right. Have you ever been indecisive about women?

Now, counter-emotion is, of course, accompanied by a counter-emotional curve. You can feel the emotional curve of another person.

PC: Yes.

If you've ever walked up to anyone and told him some bad news, you have felt his emotion drop. A pc should be aware of this fact, and the auditor particularly should know it, so that this drop can be picked up from other people by the preclear.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

Counter-thought is very nebulous, but is nevertheless there. If you just start to pick up the concepts of those around you - not their words, not expressed thoughts, not pictures or anything - you go back through your life and pick up the concepts of others around you, you'll find where they were in conflict with your concepts And there you will find a cross-up which tends to hang these facsimiles up and make them less usable to you.

LRH: Particularly indecisive! What woman comes up as the one you were most indecisive about?

For instance, you've come in and you've said - expressed, more or less, the fact that you would like to do something, and somebody else has said to you that you shouldn't do this. Well now, the perceptics would be one thing; they're very physical universe, and as a matter of fact belong in the counter-effort category because they are nothing more nor less than physical-universe forces. They are efforts, perceptions are. But because they have an emotional connotation, they go up a little bit into the counter-emotion band.

PC: Seems to me my sister.

But here are your efforts. Sound, for instance, is a wave. Sight is a sight wave. Sound travels through air. If there were no air, there'd be no sound. Light can travel through a vacuum, but is nevertheless - is a wave action; it's a particle flow.

LRH: Your sister.

And you take thermal: thermal is a vibration of material - air, so on. If one material is vibrating fast, we say it's hot, and if another one is vibrating slowly - more slowly, we say it's cold. If the air around you is vibrating at a certain - molecules are flying or flowing at a certain speed, you say that it is warm, and if they're flying around you much more slowly, you say that it's cold,

PC: Mm-hm.

Actually, the reason a gas expands a balloon is because its molecules are traveling fast - faster than the air around it - and therefore expanding the bag more. All you have to do, actually, is merely heat up air and put it in a balloon - as long as the air is hot, that balloon will rise.

LRH: Was it wondering whether she liked you or didn't like you?

In other words, motion decreases the mass and increases the thermal agitation and so on.

Commentator: Needle is euauering back and forth one point.

Actually, the reason you get warm and the reason you feel thermal, inside and outside, is a faster rate of strike on the part of molecules of gases and solids - a faster rate of strike, that's all. They hit you. Molecules in this air are hitting you at a terrific rate right now and it keeps you warm. That's aliveness. It isn't that anything else happens in the molecules at all, They don't expand or contract particularly, they just travel faster. Well, all that is something for a physicist, but I'm just demonstrating to you that all these categories of perceptions are counter-efforts. Now, a noise: a noise can hit you so violently that it is painful - physically painful. If you have ever been in a New York subway, you know why people in New York are all crazy. I don't say they're all crazy, there are some people who aren't ... (laughter) But - physically painful noise. Actually, a person's eardrums hurt; actually he can feel the noise against his skin. And there's no reason why he shouldn't, because he's being hit with a wave action. Were you ever down at the beach and walked into the water and had some big, towering wave come along and hit you in the face, knock you appetite over tin cup and wash you up on the sand? Well, it's exactly really, the same kind of a wave that sound has. It transfers itself from particle to particle in the air and hits you with the transferred force.

PC: No, I knew she didn't.

For instance, if you take up and line up five billiard balls, put them close together, and you hit the first billiard ball, the fifth billiard ball will fly off. Well now, if those were five air molecules, motion hits number one and the others vibrate, transmit the motion and number five hits you. So it's an actual physical blow. Sound is a blow.

LRH: She didn't like you.

And people who have their sonic off, who are occluded, have simply been hit by too much sound. People who have their visio off have been hit by too much light. They've gotten to a point where they're afraid to look, that's all. Now, it didn't matter whether that was in one incident or in a dozen incidents, or whether or not they're confused about what is sound and what is light and what is actual physical blows - they can be confused about these things - the point is, their recalls go off.

PC: At times.

Now, one can recall visually, recall in sound, recall in thermal and so on.

LRH: All right, how about being forbidden to hit your sister?

If a person has been roasted a few times too many, you'll find him reluctant to pick up thermal out of facsimiles - understandably. The Spanish have a proverb: they say, "Un gate escaldado de agua fria huye" - a scalded cat from cold water flees. And most preclears have been scalded cats And you ask them to remember a sunny day and they refuse to remember the sunny day for the good reason that they had a day that was red-, white-hot. And they're afraid they'll remember this other day, so they flee from the actually cool water of a bright spring day. So you ask them, "Recall a pleasure moment," They're afraid to.

PC: Uh, understood.

There's a whole technique can be built around this. Merely by coaxing the individual to feel the perceptics lightly, to feel pleasant perceptics, perceptics that haven't hurt him, you will gradually get him up to the point where he'll not only feel perceptics but he will feel efforts. And if you wanted to work on this hard, for a long period of time, you could artificially turn on somebody's perceptions.

LRH: That was just understood. Is it your sister we're looking for here?

I used to do this early in this research. That was the only way I used to turn on perceptions. I would just make people first get their big toe wet, and then get their foot wet and then get it up to the knee and then get it up to the hips and then all of a sudden throw them in. And they would receive full perception on some engram or other and they would run it. They'd come out at the other end with a heightened feeling of confidence. They would say, "Gee, I can feel them." They would say, "I actually can feel a vibration without dying."

PC: No.

This is encouragement of differentiation, Encouragement of differentiation as a technique is something which can be played into many lines of processing.

LRH: How about your mother as being the most indecisive woman?

For instance, you take straight memory. Somebody comes up to you and he says - this is in the field of thought - he says to you, "Oh, I just can't remember anything. I can't remember people." You say to him, "What's my name?" And he says, "Well, George."

PC: Yes.

"Well," you say, "there's one person. Now, let's see if we can't remember another one."

LRH: Very indecisive?

The reason why he can't remember people is there are some people there that he doesn't dare remember. And if you persuade him to remember a few people, all of a sudden he becomes differentiative. The only basic difference between aberration and sanity is the difference between identification and differentiation. If a person identifies everything with everything, of course he's quite mad. And if a person differentiates rather easily, he can have terrific experiences and yet not go mad.

PC: No.

The difference between identification and differentiation is simply a difference of time. Everything filed nicely according to time makes good differentiation. Everything filed on one moment or everything with one moment assigned to it, such as "Grandpa is dead. Grandpa is a man. All men are liable to die. I daren't make friends with a man because he's liable to die because Grandpa is dead" - this is the sort of thing that'll drive people off from human relationship.

LRH: Did you have a grandmother?

This identification runs on an equation. It says, "A equals A equals A equals A: everything is everything is everything is everything." It does not differentiate. This differentiation can go into language, can go into perception. You can get people who cannot tell the difference between sight and sound. And actually, there are veterans around in hospitals who have been shot up in the war to such an extent that they hear sight and see sound.

PC: Yes, two

So these things can not only be crossed up, but they can be completely identified. A person who has identified everything with everything, of course, is completely insane.

LRH: Well, two grandmothers? We'll call them grandmother maternal - was grandmother maternal the one you were most indecisive about?

What has a dead man done? Actually he's identified everything with everything. How wrong can you get? Dead. How identified can you get? Dead. Works the same way, That's not too hard to assimilate when you realize that the complete MEST form of a being would be a dead body - no mind attached to it at all, everything physical force.

PC: No.

And actually, the reason identification between everything takes place is wholly in the field of physical force. There's too much force; it packs things up too tightly. There's too much motion packed too tightly. That means that nothing can be differentiated in terms of time. You're all set People could be said to be aberrated in direct ratio to how much they weigh. That's right - because gravity itself is a physical force. It's a very simple problem.

LRH: How about grandmother paternal?

Now, we take - in the field of emotion, the same thing obtains. You ask your preclear to feel a counter-emotion or to feel an emotion on his own part, and he's unwilling to feel this emotion himself, he's unwilling to feel the counter-emotion, so on.

PC: I don't know or remember her very well.

Pick some light, easy emotion. If he's in apathy, you'll find he's most likely to feel himself the emotion of apathy and he is most likely to feel the counter-emotion of either apathy or grief - something close to his own Tone Scale.

LRH: You're very indecisive about her?

If he is in anger, if he's a 1,5, if he's chunky, beefy, holds on to everything and won't let go of anything, why, you can be fairly sure that this individual will not feel much of anything but anger.

PC: No, I think not.

Anger, by the way, is simply the process of trying to hold everything still. TEiat's all anger is in its essence. If you can make a man hold something still long enough and struggle to hold it still long enough, he'll get angry. You could make, some sort of a little box that he was supposed hold the lid down on. And you could make this box so that the lid kept popping up and it took a lot of physical force to hold it down. And then you made it so forceful that he couldn't quite overcome it, and you just make him hold that box shut.

LRH: How about your first girlfriend? Is she the one you were indecisive about?

Now, he'll hold that box shut just about so long and then he'll get angry. It's mechanical, very mechanical. If he succeeds in holding the box shut but has to keep an eye on it to keep it shut, he'll merely feel resentment.

PC: Her, too.

But if he can't hold the box shut at all and it plays numerous random tricks on him - for instance, not only the top comes up, but the sides start to fall out and the bottom falls off and the table sort of goes to pieces and then it reassembles itself a few times - he will feel fear. He can't quite overcome it, but he's got to keep an eye on it and so on.

LRH: Her, too. It's just indecisive about women in general here?

And if the box just flies all to pieces, he'll feel grief. He's lost it. It's gone - supposing it disintegrated.

PC: I belieue.

And if every time that box came apart, he felt the tremor all the way through him, and he couldn't resist feeling this tremor all the way through him, and even though he walked across the room and found the door locked, he could still feel this box going to pieces, and if the box insisted on going to pieces and then the floor started going to pieces and then the columns in the ceiling started going to pieces - believe me, he'd go right down the Tone Scale and he'd hit apathy. He'd finally give up. He'd also say, "I'm not here." He would negate against himself and so on.

LRH: Uh-huh.

Each one of these emotions has its own attitude. But you enter it lightly. Don't ask somebody who is in apathy to feel the counter-emotion of happiness. Not likely to - too high on the band.

Commentator: Drop of three points on that question.

All right. As far as thought is concerned, when you audit somebody just on concepts alone (you can audit them on concepts all by themselves; that is, thoughts or computations) you will find out that the only time thought has become aberrative is when it has been contradicted, that's all. A person has data that tells him he's 50 percent right and data that tells him he's 50 percent wrong, and the data on the right side and the data on the wrong side will add up to a datum, "maybe." And it's only euhen this is hung up.

LRH: Well, now, let's go off onto the other dynamics. How about being indecisive about yourself?

A person can live with the fact that he's really wrong and he knows he's wrong. He could actually live with it, but he will seldom try. He tries to figure it out so that he's right. That's why you get these vast arguments.

PC: Mostly.

You ask any little kid, "Why did you do that?" And he's obviously done it and he knew he did it. He put - picked the jam pot off and he threw it on the floor. And there it is on the floor. And you ask him, "Why did you throw the jam pot on the floor? Look-a-there, they've got jam all over the floor and it's all full of broken glass and so forth, and now you can't have any jam." And he said, "I didn't do it. It fell off the table." But yOu said, "But I - I saw you!" "But it fell right off the table." "But I saw you throw it on the floor!" "Yeah, but that was the dog, Well, the dog came in the door and so forth and he brushed against me and that's why it fell off. It was the dog's fault, it isn't my fault. I couldn't possibly be wrong." How wrong can you get? Dead. And so he avoids dying in this fashion.

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

Cross-computation winding up in a maybe is all that is wrong in the field of thought, You can think anything without getting upset so long as it doesn't wind up with a maybe.

LRH: And what period of your life were you most indecisive?

Now, you can take a preclear and you can just start what we call Straightwire and you can start asking him questions: "When did you fail to make a decision?" "When were you unable to decide something in the past?" "What aren't you able to decide in the present?" and "What aren't you able to figure out about the future or decide about the future?" And you'll find out each time that he has overweighting data which prevents him from throwing it away. The problems are not serious. What happens to be serious is the fact that he's got a maybe.

PC: About when I was - eighth or ninth grade.

A psychotic is only trying to solve a maybe in the past, a neurotic is trying to solve a maybe in the present and somebody who is merely slightly worried, but carrying on, is trying to solve something about the future. A person who thinks only about the past is, really psychotic. A person who thinks only about the present and cannot think into the future is neurotic. A person who thinks about the future and plans for the future and acts to make the future work out is sane. This is a very simple classification. Now, you can handle preclears just on this classification.

LRH: Eighth or ninth grade. Something bad happen to you that - so on?

You can handle thought and counter-thought, Ask them for a time when they made up their mind to do something and somebody had - made them change their mind. Ask them when they decided to do something and found out it was impossible to do it. And you'll eventually find things which they are still trying to resolve back in the past - they're still trying to figure out. Something they've forgotten all about that's completely covered up will lie there underneath one of these computations - one of these curtains, so to speak.

PC: I thought so at the time.

Here the fellow - somebody walks in and asks him if he wants to buy stock in a company which builds tables - very good stock, very affluent company, a very good buy; nothing wrong with this at all, And he'll say, "No!" and he'll become very angry. Why is he becoming very angry? Somebody just added a new maybe about tables.

LRH: Yeah, now we're getting a little bit more needle reaction. Had to do with a girl?

When he was ten years of age he had a manual training teacher, and every time he started to build this table the manual training teacher came around and told him to do it some other way. And he, at first, believed that he could build a table, but after a while he wondered whether or not he could build a table, and then he decided he couldn't build a table, but he knew he could build a table, but he didn't want to build a table, but he wanted to build a table ...

PC: No.

In other words, if he'd simply quit and said, "All right, I can't build a table" and made up his mind like that, he wouldn't get later reactions. But as it is, he's got "maybe I could, maybe I couldn't." He's still back there - ten years old, trying to build a table.

LRH: Had to do with your studies?

He's got this data about tables. You walk in and you talk to him about buying stock in a company that has to do with tables, and he's going to get mad. Why is he going to get mad? He's got a big maybe. And tables all up the line, including the dinner table every night, is sitting on top of this maybe, until it is an enormous globe of miscomputations. If you were to solve this for him, he would get much better very swiftly.

PC: No.

Take the business of death. Here was a big maybe. "Do I live after death? Don't I live after death? All right, they tell me to have faith. What would happen if I didn't have faith? Well, if I have faith, then I will live after death; but if I don't have faith, then I can't live after death. Well now, what do I have to do? 1 have to be good in order to live after death, I am told, and live comfortably after death. But if I am not good, I won't. What is good? Well, good is following out this particular code. But I can't follow out that code."

LRH: Parental relationship with you?

The second that a fellow gets on this maybe, he'll float with this maybe for just years and years and years. And he actually begins to believe that he's worrying continually about death, whereas the maybe may be somewhere else or on something else. He worries and he worries and he worries and he worries about death, about death, about death, about death.

PC: No, not the one I was thinking of.

And one of the biggest releases you can get on an individual is to prove to him, in himself, subjectively and on a meter, that he just goes on and on and on and on and on. Not because it's particularly beneticial to him for any other reason that - it takes him off of a big maybe. Now he knows He knows he lives.

LRH: Well, what is the incident you're thinking of?

For anybody who gets this subjectively, you take him down to a funeral and he's liable to stand there very bored - very puzzled, as a matter of fact.

PC: A homosexual contact.

First time this ever hit me I saw a funeral going up the road and here was a great big herse and flowers all over the place and people in the cars and so on and I said to myself "Boy what a spot for a Dianetic auditor. He could go out there to the cemetery and run out all these grief charges and he could probably do a lot of good, do a lot of good." And then all of a sudden I realized this corpse is probably - Oh, was all duded up" probably and in a casket and so on and they were taking it out and burying it in a nice - so on, and all these people crying and so on. Well, what a bunch of materialistic unbelievers they were! And that was the first thought that struck me. And then the next thought that struck me - what a big joke on them: this fellow was probably right now going through the sperm-ovum sequence!

LRH: Oh, I see. Some other guy?

Well anyway, it seemed to me ... And all of a sudden, boom! And nobody's been able to worry me about dying since. Nobody. I wasn't particularly worried about it before, but I used to - used to once in a while think that - failure as being very tough. Failure was something rough; failure was something horrible,

PC: Yeah.

Failure is merely the gradient scale of death. If a person fails too many times, he's going to die, that's certain - because this society will deny him food, clothing and shelter. If he fails too many times, he will die. It's all right to cut your finger, but don't cut your throat, Cutting the finger is a little bit of dying. If you cut your finger too hard and too solidly, you could kill yourself. In other words, this is the way people look at this. That's their gradient scale of failure, the gradient scale of defeat. And they regard life seriously just to the degree that they regard death seriously and they regard failure and defeat seriously just to the degree that they will regard the whole computation of survival.

LRH: Yeah, Older than you?

How serious is it that you live? Well, if you're going to die, it becomes very serious that you live - becomes serious business. And a person, actually, is situated on the Tone Scale to the degree that they are serious about living. They are also effective in inverse ratio to their seriousness. You can show me any person who is taking it very, very, very seriously and I'll show you a long chain of failures. A person gets most serious about living when he is dying.

PC: Yeah.

Now, an index of sanity is not only a future index but a "serious" index - the serious button.

LRH: Uh-huh. And how did this make you feel about yourself? What did this do? Something to your pride?

Now, on an overt act problem - and here we get back into thought, the handling of thought - the people who have tried to convince you of this and that have to some degree aberrated you, if the convictions were cross-grained to what your convictions were. But, you see, because of prior overt acts, it was what you did to others that was much more aberrative.

PC: Yeah.

So, in thought and counter-thought, let's not worry so much about what was countered to you or countered to the preclear, as what the preclear countered to others.

LRH: Mm-hm,

Now, we have a whole Chart of Attitudes. This is an - a chart of concepts, and if you take this Chart of Attitudes and run the preclear in this one life on those attitudes, finding every time when he tried to foist off this attitude on somebody else against their wishes, or just tried to foist this attitude off on somebody else, we will find an aberration stronger than what was done to the preclear,

Commentator: Rising two points.

It was when he countered his thoughts. And particularly when he countered the thought of another and then failed to counter the thought of another, he got himself into a bad state, because then he had to be hung with the thought/counter-thought. He tried to palm this thought off on somebody else - this attitude off on somebody else: "You've got to obey me!" And he keeps trying to tell people this and trying to tell people this, "You've got to obey me, you've got to obey me." And he will eventually get into the serious state where he is obeying himself implicitly. Oh, that can be grim. One takes one's postulates, one's conclusions, one's predictions terrifically seriously. One starts driving oneself with an iron rod and a brass-knobbed whip. Yeah, because he's tried to make others obey him. He's tried to make others obey. "They've got to obey. They've got to obey." And eventually he handles himself Like he handles others and that's what you're up to there on the Chart of Attitudes. That is a little equation there - you want to call it an equation or a formula - of: an individual tends to handle himself as others have handled him; an individual tends to handle himself as he has tried to handle others.

LRH: Is this whole thing located around indecisiveness about whether or not you were any good or not?

You want to know what a person thinks of himself, why, look at what he thinks of others. And that's what he'll think of himself, too, because, after all, he's just one of the eight dynamics.

PC: Don't know.

So, you take this Chart of Attitudes ... And by the way, this is in advance of the Handbook of Preclears, and the Handbook of Preclears is made valuable to you to this additional degree: you as an auditor can take the chart all by itself and, with a technique known as Lock Scanning, make your preclear go over - for each line on that chart, including the emotion column - the time when he tried to foist off this attitude on others. In other words, you've got his thought concept as he tries to direct them to others - to children, to women, to men, to the family, to groups, or to all mankind, or to animals, or to the MEST universe, or into the spiritual realm, or actually against God.

LRH: You don't know.

And you take that as a chart of overt attitudes. And you could call it that: a chart of overt attitudes. And you just run the preclear - every time he's had this attitude toward those around him. And you'll find out the case will swamp up very swiftly - uery swiftly, because that is the hottest Straightwire there is on the bank. it's lying right on top of the chain of overt acts. Every one of those attitudes lies on the top of overt acts.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation, two points. A drop in tone.

Now, I give you this as an optimum Straightwire - an optimum Straightwire. And let me not only recommend it to you, but ask you to make this your main Straightwire, because the person will start coming off of his maybes. And you let him come off of his maybes.

LRH: Is it located around whether or not men are any good or not?

He gives this attitude, he gives this attitude, he gives this attitude, and all of a sudden he'll tell you a computation. You don't even have to ask him for a computation. He'll say, "Well, all my life I have been worried about ..." And then he'll tell you what he's been worried about, and you go back, and then is when you chime in. You say, "Well, did you ever feel indecisive about this?" and he'll say, "Yes." Actually, if you could get the indecision or what was made indecisive by any incident or engram, that incident or engram would blow, because the only reason any incident stays in present time is because it has a maybe on it. It has not been decided.

PC: There are one or two.

Computation is keeping facsimiles in present time to think with them. So all maybes - undecides - are still being thought with. Therefore, your preclear can't be sane.

LRH: Yeah, If I asked this question bluntly, "Should you be proud of yourself?" what would you answer?

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PC: No.

Now, you are using, then, the Chart of Attitudes as contained in the Handbook for Preclears, as counter-thought, The preclear is being counter-thought to somebody else's thoughts to some degree. In other words, he is interfering with their self-determinism, But more about that in a moment.

LRH: You shouldn't be proud of yourself.

You've got the preclear, then, as counter-thought to other people's thoughts. And you will find out that this influenced his aberration more than when he was thought to somebody else's counter-thought. Now, you understand that?

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

When his own thoughts and self-determinism were interrupted, the only reason he could take this was because he had been counter-thought to somebody else's thoughts. In other words, you've got a play both ways! And you actually can take the Chart of Attitudes and run it as the preclear's thoughts being interrupted by counter-thoughts.

LRH: Is this computation we're looking for before the age of fifteen?

In other words, you take the preclear as the thought and you run him up and down throughout his life, picking up the times when Mama, Papa, Grandma, the family, schoolteachers and others countered his thoughts and ambitions. He can be made to feel very sorry for himself when you do this, but you'll blow quite a bit of locks and do quite a bit of things.

PC: I thought no.

Now, you turn around and you pose him as counter-thought to other people's tkoughts. You can work it both ways~ What I'm trying to show you is there's thought and counter-thought. The preclear, however, interrupts his own self-determinism faster by countering the thoughts of others. Now, we'd run this into emotion. The preclear, in countering the emotions of others, shuts himself down much more thoroughly than when his own emotions are countered.

LRH: After the age of fifteen?

Let's say - let's take all the times he came romping into the house and said, "Here's something very pretty and I'm very happy," and somebody said to him, "Nyaevevr. Go away. Go along and play" - something of that sort. "Don't bother Mama now. Mama's busy." These are really not as important as the times when somebody romped up to him saying, "I'm happy and here is something beautiful," and he said "Errrarreu." Because you see what he's done? He's done a very detestable thing. He has made himself like a person he detested. The second he counters a thought, the second he counters an emotion, he has likened himself to the person who did it to him. And here is where you have valence difficulties.

PC: I think yes.

If a person does this enough to somebody else, he will go into their valence. If he counters their thought and emotion enough, he will go over into their valence. It's a very simple mechanism. He will become them rather than stay himself.

LRH: Uh-huh, Is this break of personal pride with yourself later than when you were fifteen?

And the reason he won't stay himself is because he's likened himself to too many detestable people and he can't be himself anymore because he says, "Myself is like too many people I dislike. And therefore I will be like somebody I have hurt, and this will do a life continuum for them and will repay with repentance, sackcloth and ashes, for all the horrible things I have done."

PC: I didn't get a response.

The second that he uses the mechanism which has been used on him, he therefore pronounces judgment upon himself that he is like the person who used it on him.

LRH: Uh-huh. When you were sixteen?

If a man acts enough like his father, he will eventually not only do a life continuum on his father but start doing life continuums on those to whom he is acting like his father. If he didn't like his father, he then becomes detestable to himself. That's very simple.

Commentator: Tone dropped about two points.

It's the same way with counter-effort and effort. You take the times that an individual has acted as counter-effort - these times are much more aberrative than the times when the individual was acted upon by counter-effort.

PC: I didn't get anything.

In other words, here is a person making an effort to survive and your individual comes along - your preclear has come along and said, "Bow! Don't survive!" Now, here again you get the life-continuum mechanism and you get it because the preclear dramatizes or uses the counter-efforts which were used against him. You get this mechanism - this is a very important mechanism. He has used the counter-efforts which were used against him, against somebody else or against another dynamic.

LRH: When you were seventeen? Break of confidence in yourself?

Naturally when your preclear was hit in the jaw, he did not like the person who hit him in the jaw. And yet he has received a motion, a counter-effort of a hit in the jaw. Now, to be fully self-determined, he feels he ought to be able to hit somebody in the jaw. So he goes and he hits somebody in the jaw. The second he does this, he recognizes that he has done an act which was done to him by a person he doesn't like. So the moment he does this, he likens himself, then, to the person who hit him first that he doesn't like. So therefore, he can't go on being himself. So he'll switch over to some degree into the valence of the person he's just hit, and he'll wear the somatic himself as a life continuum or as an effort to arrest that somatic and keep himself from being like somebody he doesn't like.

PC: It seemed to be continuous.

This is not very complicated. It's something that you should sort of lay down on a piece of paper and look at it until you see it very thoroughly, because it's quite important.

LRH: Continuous, right straight through that period. When did it start? When you were fifteen, or sixteen?

Now, in the field of emotion ... This covers overt acts, it covers life continuum, it covers all of the buttons that you find in the handbook - all of them - explains it very well. And if you look over any preclear, you can ask him this question and get the central computation or the central snarl in his memory bank or his thought - his computer. You ask him what he would defend above all things. Just ask him that, and he will say - think for a moment and he would say "my family" or he will say "oh, babies" or he will say "cats" or he will say "governments" or "God" or something of the sort.

PC: I don't know

Well, you've got him in a bear trap right that moment, Why? Why would he defend this above all other things? He has to defend this or become the thing that attacks it! Why does he have to do this? He has to defend these things because he has offended against them and is doing a life continuum for them. Very simple. He has - is doing a life continuum for cats or babies or something of the sort, and at one time or another he injured the entity he is defending. He has done an overt act against this thing.

LRH: Sixteen?

You'll get some preclear, and you'll find this preclear says, "Oh, these horrible brutal men - these brutal men that torture these poor little cats!" And you just stick your tongue a little bit in your cheek and say, "All right, now let's go back down the time track and let's find the time - let's find a time, now, when you killed a cat."

PC: Maybe.

"Oh! I'd never do such a thing! Poor little pussycats I - I love pussycats and they're much better than men," and so on. "I'd ne~er do such a thing; I just never would."

LRH: Seventeen?

So, the poor little pussycat we find at the age of four, being most wonderfully strangled by our pussycat defender.

PC: No, I-I get that it was earlier.

One case, for instance, had dressed a kitty up in baby clothes and had put it innocently in a box and had come back and the cat was dead, having strangled to death on the baby clothes. And this person ever afterwards starts to defend cats, but then sees somebody punishing a cat - namely, some men punishing a cat one way or the other or doing something to a cat - so she hates the men. She has to hate the men and defend the cat or she becomes the men because she killed a pussycat too, you see. This is very simple. Very simple. You can draw that. You can draw that with ease. And, as a matter of fact, I had better draw it for you. Now, here, [marking on blackboard] here we have a time track. We will just take one life. We'll take a very, very microscopic view of a person's existence and take one life.

LRH: Was it this incident we were talking about in high school?

And, by the way, has anybody present got any doubts in themselves that you - by now in Scientology - that you live only once? Do you think you live only once? Who around here chinks you live only once? (pause) Ah, you're scared - there's somebody around here thinks you live only once. (laughter)

PC: I think it is.

Male uoice: Sure, you never stop living; you're only living once. (laughter)

LRH: You think that's it?

Ha-ha-ha-ha! Very good, you never stop living; you're only living once. That's correct, that's correct. Okay, I was just hoping for somebody to bite on that. I have a lot of very interesting experiments I like to perform, because I love to see somebody's jaw drop.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on "sixteen" and on this last question.

I'm going up to the organization that makes most of the lie detectors for police departments in the United States and I'm going to feed them this, and on Hubbard College stationery have them interchange some correspondence with me about it - after I've proven it to them. So that they can write to all the police departments, showing this letter, which says "Hubbard College," and advise all their machine operators everywhere as to what's happening, having proved it conclusively in that institute, you see? And so then all police departments will be apprised of past lives, and they have to know about past lives, and after that we've got the ball rolling.

LRH: Uh-huh. When did you do something so bad that you felt you couldn't trust yourself to act freely anymore?

All right, [marking on blackboard] here's conception and here's present time and here's birth. Now, let me show you the mechanism of a standard overt act which really isn't an overt act.

PC: There seemed to be something else there ...

The overt act of birth. Very, very many people believe that their being born was an overt act. That's nothing, by the way; some people believe simply that their being alive is an overt act against the society. And not only that, very many people being alive is an overt act against the society! (laughter)

LRH: Yeah.

Now, here you have birth, and this child was unaware of birth being an overt act for some years. About the age of four, why, there's a lot of old ladies sitting around with Mama, and Mama's saying, "Oh, what a horrible time I had," and "Oh, it was terrible. The labor pains lasted for eight weeks, and I was under constant sedation for about three months afterwards, and they had to operate seven times, and they had to transplant the whole Mayo Clinic down here, and I couldn't even be moved and the doctor said it was the most difficult birth he had ever attended," she says very proudly.

PC: ... till I jumped to - wanted to tell you the other thing was there.

Well, the little kid listens to all of this and finds out how much trouble he was. And being soft-hearted and sympathetic and not keyed in badly yet, and not yet being human, the little kid says, "Poor Mama. Poor Mama," and begins to feel sorry for Mama and realizes what he did to Mama. Now, that - just that can be an overt act. He can conceive, then, that he's done an overt act.

LRH: Mm-hm.

But most of the time it happens much more flagrantly. The child is born and about the first words he hears is "How I have suffered for you. What I have gone through for you. How much I have suffered," and "All I have done for you, and then you do this to me."

PC: I don't know what the other one was.

And this can go on and on and on. It could go on - I've seen men and women, forty, fifty years of age, that still had live mamas who were pulling this one.

LRH: Now, you know what it is.

I don't know what Mama did to the kid they have to pay for in this regard, but it must have been horrendous. Probably AAs or probably the child was illegitimate or there's something there. Mother, in order to pull this thing, feels she has done something which she has to justify. Well, we'll just leave it up in the air what that something is, but the second you find a child on whom this is being pulled, you have found immediately a mother who is justifying some bad intention toward the child. Invariably, you have found the other thing. Because you - here you see she's declaring that an overt act. Now, this is a medium stage. This is the stage of justifying.

PC: Yeah, I suppose I do.

All right, birth is an overt act. Now, [marking on blackboard] we find here at the age of twenty-eight, this individual does nothing but defend clubs. He is very, very defensive about the Royal Order of Meese (that's the plural of moose). And the Royal Order of Meese has to be defended - has to be defended at all costs.

LRH: Sure. What does it have to do with - women? Men?

You say, "That's - that's fine, that's fine." You got this preclear, you've asked him this "What do you defend above all costs?" and he tells you "The Royal Order of Meese." Now, when did he try to destroy this or another organization? And you'll find right away, one of his favorite indoor sports was trying to break up a club of boys or a sewing society of girls or something of the sort, earlier. He has actually been responsible for breakups of groups in this life, in his youth. He has knocked them apart one way or the other, and now he comes around and starts to defend them.

PC: I got the idea of women.

Well, if you put him on the machine, you will find a real overt act against groups in some earlier life. Big one. Like he took thirty pieces of silver from somebody or other and says, "You know that crowd of people over there, hm? They're getting ready to overthrow the whole state and here's state's evidence." And he gets them all turned in or beheaded or something of the sort.

LRH: Did you do something to a woman?

I ran into these one day - I ran into one of the government agents who had had to do with the Guy Fawkes plot. It sounds weird, but the machine just started flashing all over the place on governments. So I thought of all the revolutionaries that had failed or been turned in or been informed on, and I found out that Guy Fawkes... This boy, by the way, by this time was a violent revolutionary. This fellow - this preclear - in this present life, was violently revolutionary against governments. In other words, he'd changed valence,

PC: Yes.

[R&D Note - Guy Fawkes: (1570-1606) one of the conspirators who, in November 1605, tried to avenge the persecution of Roman Catholics in England by blowing up the king and the Parliament. Barrels of gunpowder had been hidden under the Houses of Parliament, and the plan, called the Gunpowder Plot, was to set off an explosion at the opening of Parliament on 5 November. Guy Fawkes was to execute the plan and light the gunpowder. One of the conspirators, however, warned a relative ahead of time, who revealed the plot to the authorities, leading to the arrest and execution of most of the members of the group, including Fawkes.]

Commentator: Tone has risen now two points.

In the time when he committed this overt act, he was violently in favor of governments, you see? Nobody should overthrow a government. But he turned in some of the plotters on the Gunpowder Plot and they were accordingly jailed, tortured, hanged, drawn, quartered - whatever was done to them - and this sat on there as an overt act with exclamation points. So I ran it out. And - tears and mopes and groans and so forth about it all - lots of regret. And got a change of attitude to something a little saner.

LRH: Your mother?

Now, this works out - you say, "This person is being very defensive of women - very, very defensive of women. What's he done to women?" See, it just works just like that.

PC: Yes.

Well now, oddly enough, what he's done to women was also done to him - earlier, much earlier, Because you have to have a motivator in order to get an overt act. So it's a sort of a dizzy little circle.

LRH: Uh-huh.

And so, your plot here [marking on blackboard] looks like this. Let's take a number of lives, now. These are lives - births and deaths. Here we have A defending the second dynamic - oh, violently defensive. Now, back here, maybe two lives ago, we find A offending against the second dynamic violently - A offending, [marking on blackboard] second dynamic.

Commentator: And fluctuating on up the scale further.

And now we go back here and we find, numbers of lives ago (let's put another life - we'll say a thousand lives intervened here), and we find a second dynamic offense against A. And before that moment, we find no aberration. Somebody did a second dynamic offense against A. Somebody offended A on the second dynamic. A didn't dramatize it for an awful long time, but one day really dramatized it, felt sorry for it, regretted it, tried to turn it back, got the aberration, actually picked up this first facsimile down here on the second dynamic, wore its somatics, and is now busily defending the second dynamic.

LRH: What did you do to her?

Now, that is the map, And that map applies to every dynamic, every emotion, every effort, every thought or attitude of thought, because, you see, there is overt effort, overt emotion and overt thought.

PC: Oh, I think it was, I made her make me some pancakes and she didn't want to, and she cried.

Now, for instance, you find somebody feeling badly after a short period of time - yes, you could scan the whole thing out of them, you could pick up all the locks of what had happened to them at this moment. But it's much better to find the overt thought and their inhibition of it. Because they'll think the overt thought and then they say, "I can't do it," or something of the sort. And it'll restimulate them.

LRH: I'll be a son of a gun. (audience chuckles)

They go in to this basketball game, and they come out of the basketball game and they just don't feel well. They're sick at their stomach or something of the sort. You ask them what player they had an urge to kick in the stomach or to hit in the stomach. And the fellow will look at you like you're a mystic or something of the sort, because he was clear out there on the floor and, yes, he did have that urge. He had an urge to drive an elbow into one of the boys' stomachs that was getting in his road. And he didn't do it? Why didn't he do it? It's because he's already done that overt act one time too many and felt too much regret on it. So he checks himself from doing it. And the second he checks himself from going through the action, it's merely an overt thought, then, isn't it? And it's an overt thought, and the overt thought is what backfires on him. So he walks out of the basketball game with a sick stomach.

Commentator: Tone dropped four points - two more points.

If you merely scan out the moment he thought this and why he thought this (and by the way, "why" is always important on these things because it's an evaluation) - if you ask him why he thought it and when he thought it, and to get the sensation of checking it, you get the emotion of holding back the thought, you see? Thought is translated into effort by emotion or inhibited from going into effort by emotion. Ask him - get the emotion change as he didn't do it, and you'll get the moment he got the sick stomach. And the sick stomach will go away - boom! Now, knowing this makes it very easy to pick up these things.

PC: She was very unhappy about it. I was too.

I was quite amused one day - an auditor said, "I will never again process anybody who has not been indoctrinated a little bit in overt acts, because this girl next door had been having a bad stomach for a long time and I finally got her to recall a time when she postulated she would like to kick another girl in the stomach, and immediately her stomachache went away. She just got this time - she remembered it - but she came immediately to present time and she said, 'And if she was here I'd love to do it again!' and got her sick stomach back immediately." That's overt thought.

LRH: Very unhappy about it. That's trying to force women to do something?

Now, you should know all of this when you look at the whole problem of self-determinism, Self-determinism is modified by what happens to the individual and what the individual does with what happens to him.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

& Actually, determination is ...

LRH: Mm-hm. How'd you feel afterwards about forcing women to do things?

Male voice: On that particular case you just explained, she converted the overt thought through emotion into effort against herself. Is that correct?

PC: It didn't pay off.

You could say that she did, yes. It'd be a circular problem.

LRH: Didn't pay off. Have you forced a woman since to do anything?

You see, an individual is a portion of the MEST universe. And when they start to strike out against the MEST universe - they start an action going - if the environment cannot receive the action, then they do, because they are part of the MEST universe. Their body is part of the MEST universe; their mind is not. But their body is part of the MEST universe and so they receive the action back - thud!

PC: You know I can't recall.

Now, self-determinism is thus modified. And self-determinism can be measured directly by how many dynamics a person is willing to take responsibility for - or in other words, the size of the person's sphere of influence. What sphere of influence is a person willing to take over? That will tell you immediately where he is on the Tone Scale. It will tell you immediately how many overt acts he's performed and it'll give you some sort of an estimate on what has been done to him. The sphere of influence is a modification of self-determinism. Sounds complicated, but it isn't.

LRH: You can't recall forcing anybody to do anything since. (laugh)

If a person has injured the galaxy at large, you might say, believe me, he will have no thought of being able to control that galaxy. If he has injured something - now, this is just analogy - if he's injured something the area of the solar system, he's no longer willing to take responsibility for his act, he is also no longer able to take responsibility for the solar system. If he's injured earth - his sphere of influence as earth - he's willing to take responsibility less than that, but if he's injured earth, he won't take responsibility for earth because he has to take responsibility for his own act.

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

In each case, the individual sees that he has offended against the dynamics, and if he took that responsibility he would have to declare himself wrong. If he declared himself wrong, he would also be declaring himself dead. And so what he does is just pull back his sphere of influence.

LRH: Well, this doesn't put you in very good control of women, does it?

Now, let's say he has offended against the United States widely, and he doesn't have a sphere of influence against this part of the continent. He won't include that.

PC: No.

And let's pull it in - and I'm just putting it in in terms of space and time right now - it gets much more complicated, but just showing you a contracting sphere.

LRH: Would you say that women were within your control sphere?

Now, the individual, let us say, has offended against groups - he doesn't want to take responsibility for those groups anymore - and so the dynamic of groups is something he is not going to touch.

PC: I - I wanted to say I think it's up to them.

And let's say he's offended against children, so he's not willing to take responsibility for children, and he's missing on that dynamic. He's offended against women - he's not willing to be responsible for women, therefore his second dynamic is all the way out. This leaves him dynamic one. He still owns his body pretty well as long as he's alive. And so his sphere of influence could then be his body or the first dynamic only. And when he has offended against this often enough, he won't even take responsibility for the first dynamic.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, tell me, was this incident with the boy an offense against women?

And so he contracts his sphere of responsibility. And when he has contracted his sphere of responsibility to this regard, then all the dynamics, all the counter-efforts, all the counter-emotions, all the counter-thoughts of all the dynamics can hit him. And most people, by the way, are riding on this very little, thin margin between not quite being able to stop all these efforts and barely being able to sidestep them enough to keep alive in their own body. This is just a concept that they have.

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

Your body is not your mind. Your facsimiles are not your body, even though those facsimiles contain that blueprint. The size of your mind is not the size of your brain. The size of your mind is not the size of your body. Your mind is as big as the galaxies or as big as the island universes or as big as all the universes there ever are - it doesn't matter how big it is, but it will be as big as, and will influence as much as, you want it to influence. That's very blunt. You could conceive your mind - it could be withdrawn in its periphery to something the size of a head of a pin, as in politicians. (laughter) Or you could expand it out so that you were able to command your own body, as will do an athlete: he is at least in command of his own body. Or you could expand it out to the size of a group where you are trying to handle or manage a group. You can expand your mind that far.

Commentator: One-Point rise and then two-point rise.

And by the way, you won't handle that group unless you do conceive your mind to be as big as that group.

LRH: When did this pancake incident happen, after that or before it?

You've got to be able to conceive your mind to be as big as whatever you're trying to influence, because it means that you've got to take the responsibility of whatever you are trying to influence. So therefore, you've got to conceive yourself that size.

PC: Oh no when I euas very young.

You see, the trick in this is the mind doesn't have any size. It doesn't have space or time. It merely has recordings of space or time.

LRH: Very young. But you do remember your mother breaking down and crying when you forced her to make some pancakes?

Most people looking at themselves in the mirror, looking at space and time around them, looking at themselves, conceive their mind to be merely as big as themselves. Now, most people do not believe that they handle much of a periphery of influence. Most people are actually having trouble with themselves. They have trouble with themselves.

PC: Yeah.

If you can't sit down to a typewriter and learn how to type on it in fifteen or twenty minutes, you're having trouble with yourself. If you can't grow a better-looking nose, you're having trouble with yourself. That's really blunt! That's compared to an optimum - an optimum situation.

LRH: Have you thought about this before?

Therefore, in order to secure any freedom, or to call yourself to any degree self-determined, you have to have a concept of yourself to the size, to the sphere of influence that you are trying to determine. What's self-determinism? "Self-determinism" could be called something much better, but most people couldn't take the bridge that fast. It should be called something like "pan-determinism" - pan meaning all the way across or around or over. Pan-determinism: determinism on all dynamics. And if you were in 100 percent possession of your mind, of your actions and so on, you would have 100 percent sphere of influence over all the dynamics.

PC: Yes, I have.

Pan-determinism. You're just as responsible for Russia going to war at this moment, or trying to threaten the rest of civilization with war, as Russia is. And in view of the fact that Russia is not even vaguely responsible for what it does, having contracted in each and every mind within it to bare-necessity control of self, and having to think in terms of "We're collectively something, but individually nothing" - pretty badly off. If you knoeu - if you know that you can be determined all the way across the line, just potentially determined across all the dynamics - then, you see, you have to accept the responsibility for Russia being in the state of mind that it's in, as well as the United States being in the state of mind it's in.

LRH: Uh-huh.

And if you were to just broadly accept responsibility for the atomic situation in the world today, you would, of course, do a great deal about it. But as long as your concept is that you can barely take care of yourself, you'll not be able to do anything about the war.

PC: I've run across it in sessions.

Okay.

LRH: Well, why'd you force her?

PC: I never have figured that out.

LRH: To make the pancakes?

PC: I think that I just liked pancakes, and I wanted to have some pancakes. I was hungry.

LRH: Uh-huh.

Commentator: Needle is remaining stationary.

LRH: And your mother objected to this?

PC: Yeah, she was ironing.

Commentator: And moving up the dial.

LRH: Mm-hm. And she actually cried?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you ever run this?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What happens to it?

PC: I don't know; nothing particularly. I know about it.

LRH: Uh-huh. Has this got anything to do with breast-feeding?

PC: I thought yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point needle and fluctuating.

LRH: She ever push you away?

PC: I think no.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Dropping two points.

LRH: Let's see if you can get a straight recall on that. Now, you can remember that.

PC: I think I can. I remember once in ...

LRH: Your mother feeding you. Your mother feeding you.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Overt act on your part because your mother had to feed you?

PC: I don't know Ron.

LRH: What have you got? Is there an overt act on your part because mother had to feed you?

PC: This I don't know. No.

LRH: Is she the kind of a person that would have said so?

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Mm-hm. Would she have had to have stayed home to feed you?

PC: No.

LRH: No?

PC: No.

LRH: Were you bottle-fed exclusively? You know.

PC: Yeah. No, I wasn't exclusively bottle-fed.

LRH: Not exclusively.

PC: No, but I had trouble with it.

LRH: Can you remember a time when she made - somebody seemed to make fun of you on this or got upset about this?

Commentator: Tone now dropping two points.

PC: No, but I remember them - I remember knowing that I had trouble keeping food in my stomach and I was a lot of trouble to her.

LRH: Uh-huh. That was a lot of trouble?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, was that being fed by mother?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Was your mother upset during a very, very early period of your life?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Emotionally upset because of domestic affairs?

Commentator: A tone rise now of two Points.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Do you recall offhand, now, suddenly - look, I'11 give you one - an incident. Do you have a picture of such an incident?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got a little picture of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it a little still picture?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about scanning regret across this picture? Just scan the feeling of regret across that picture a few times.

Commentator: As the preclear scans regret the needle has dropped three points.

LRH: Get the feeling of regret across the picture a few times.

Commentator: Now rising one point, two points.

LRH: What's it a picture of, by the way?

PC: Dad and Mom fighting.

LRH: Oh.

Commentator: Two points up.

LRH: How old do you think you were when that happened?

PC: I could walk.

LRH: You could walk. Have anything to do with feeding you? Have anything to do with feeding your father?

PC: Money.

LRH: Money. Does that have to do with food?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Food and money identified?

PC: (laugh) That's...

LRH: Huh?

PC: Oh, yeah.

LRH: Okay, let's scan some more regret across that picture until you get a fuller view of all that.

Commentator: Tone has moved up to four points again, five points. Coming up two points.

LRH: How did you cause this?

PC: Probably just think...

LRH: Huh? (pause) Why did you blame yourself for this fight?

Commentator: Needle up two points.

PC: You've got me now.

LRH: Did you? Did you blame yourself for this fight?

PC: I don't know. I don't know.

LRH: You got a picture, haven't you?

PC: Yeah. Yeah, I've got one.

LRH: It says "blame yourself" - still picture. All right, let's clip it again. Let's clip it again. Here he is able to walk, just barely able to walk and blaming himself for a domestic upset. Did you cost too much money coming into the world?

PC: (laugh)

Commentator: Tone has dropped three points on that question.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Come up two three points again - fluctuating now.

LRH: That have something to do with the fight?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Tone dropped on that question two points.

LRH: Does your father like you?

PC: No.

LRH: No.

PC: I think now he does.

LRH: Does your mother have to defend you against your father?

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Does she really?

PC: No.

LRH: Do you know this now?

PC: I think so.

LRH: Scan some more regret across that picture.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating, rising two points as the preclear scans.

PC: I - i can't rightly hold on to that.

LRH: It's going?

PC: I'm sorry?

LRH: Okay. (laughter) Okay. Now, when were you unable to control some MEST? That is to say, control some matter, energy, space or time?

PC: Car spun on an icy pauement.

LRH: Oh, a car spun?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who got hurt?

PC: No one.

LRH: What got hurt?

Commentator: Tone drop - has risen two points.

PC: Oh, nothing much; I just got excited.

LRH: The car get hurt?

PC: Mm, bumped its - its wheels against the curb a little.

LRH: Who blamed?

PC: I - I was blamed.

Commentator: A tone drop of ten points.

LRH: You blamed yourself?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did, huh?

PC: I think I did then, yeah.

LRH: Sure. Who had cautioned you not to drive fast?

PC: Well, Mom and Dad.

LRH: Is this an overt act against them that you spun the car?

PC: I hadn't thought of it that way.

LRH: Or an overt act against the car?

PC: Might be.

LRH: Or just a demonstration making you realize that you couldn't handle the MEST universe?

Commentator: Needle now rising two points; fluctuating on a two-goint rise.

PC: More that.

LRH: Oh, you got that?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, where in that incident did you suddenly recognize this?

PC: Well, when I realized I - when I realized I couldn't steer or stop the car of going from the course it wanted to go - it was going.

LRH: Do you remember the moment you thought this?

PC: I think I do.

LRH: Uh-huh. Where in the moment did you try to make it unreal?

PC: I think it was after I - I realized there was nothing I could do about it.

LRH: Uh-huh. So then you wished it out of existence.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Okay, now let's recall the moment you realized you weren't handling it.

Commentator: Tone rise of about three points.

PC: Well, yeah.

LRH: Got that again? Got it more clearly now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Who'd you withhold the information from?

PC: Me, I guess. What do you mean?

LRH: Well, did you try not to tell your mother and father about it?

PC: My mother was in the car with me.

LRH: Oh, she was?

Commentator: Tone drop of three points.

LRH: Where is the thought there that she's going to be hurt?

PC: Well, almost immediately as - as I realized we were out of control and I...

LRH: Overt act against women? (pause) Is it?

PC: Well, I don't think I had time to think all that.

LRH: Oh, you don't think so. Well, when did you realize that your mother was there and she might have been hurt?

PC: I knew it all the time.

LRH: You knew it all the time.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: When you started to drive the car...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... you thought she might be hurt. Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Boy!

PC: I know. Yeah.

LRH: Do you feel this way around women a lot?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about when you touch women?

PC: Shouldn't do that.

LRH: You shouldn't do that? They're liable to be hurt?

PC: Maybe.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation, drop in tone.

LRH: Is there a maybe of this magnitude: "Maybe I'm going to hurt or kill a woman"?

PC: I'm never conscious of it.

LRH: Well, let's look at that as sort of a broad maybe: "Maybe I'm going to kill a woman."

Commentator: Needle fluctuates on this question.

LRH: What have you got?

PC: Maybe.

LRH: "Maybe I'm going to hurt a woman."

PC: I have.

LRH: When?

PC: Lots of times.

LRH: Who?

PC: This girl I knew in ...

LRH: Did you drown her or ...

Commentator: Two points.

PC: Not quite.

LRH: We're talking about hurting a woman.

PC: Well, she made me think I was hurting her.

LRH: Oh! Oh, her counter-thought was "You're going to hurt me."

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: When did she say, "You're going to kill me, you brute?" (laughter)

Commentator: Needle is now losing three points.

PC: Well, she led me to know that if I wasn't doing things she - the way she liked it, that that was what was happening.

LRH: Oh? Liable to kill her. She really put it that broadly?

Commentator: Tone has now dropped about five points.

PC: No. Not - not ...

LRH: Just "going to hurt me."

PC: Yeah.

LRH: She found out this was the way to really handle you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, how did you feel when she walked away from you finally?

PC: Well, it didn't work out that way.

LRH: You walked away from her?

PC: Yeah. We both walked away from each other.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Tone rise now to four points.

LRH: Is this the way it was?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. But who decided to break it up?

PC: I think I did.

Commentator: Tone rise, two points.

LRH: You think you did.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you have to break it up because you're liable to really hurt them if you keep on with it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: A fluctuation of one point down on that.

LRH: Gee. When's the first time you hurt a little girl in school?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: You got one, haven't you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

Commentator: Tone dropped four points.

PC: I didn't hurt her, I kissed her.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points.

LRH: And what happened?

Commentator: Fluctuating in a five-point fluctuation and back doeun to original position.

PC: Excuse me, but I'm a little bit embarrassed. Nothing much happened; I got teased about it.

LRH: Oh, you got teased about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Tone now rising another three points.

LRH: Is this the first moment you realized it wasn't serious?

PC: I guess.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Another four-point rise.

LRH: How about another girl? What about the girl you hit?

Commentator: Six-point rise.

LRH: Did you ever hit a girl?

PC: Yeah. My sister, though I think I...

LRH: Hit her hard?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever try to strangle a girl?

PC: Not one in this life that I know of.

LRH: Well ...

Commentator: One-point fluctuation on this question.

LRH: What did you think of?

Commentator: Four-Point now.

PC: Just then?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I was thinking of other lives.

LRH: Oh, you were thinking of other lives.

PC: And then I remembered you said this is - this is on this life, and then I thought no.

LRH: No, you better not think of other lives. Well, can we clean up this life? I mean, can we just straightwire women and get it off on this life only?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what's the incident we want?

Commentator: Tone now rising.

LRH: The age of the incident we're looking for will flash. (snap)

Commentator: Needle dropping at three points.

LRH: What did you get?

PC: Before you got - I got eight, and then when you snapped I got ten. I don't know.

LRH: Eight and ten? You do something to a girl when you were eight? Somebody tell you you were doing something to a girl when you were eight?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating very slightly.

PC: I didn't get any memory on that, so ...

LRH: Bad deal.

Commentator: Dropping three points.

PC: (mumble)

LRH: What did you do?

PC: Probably pushed her off a cliff; I don't know. Wait a minute, uh ...

LRH: Push her downstairs?

PC: No. Momentarily I thought of a - a hole in the ground we dug, when I was eight or ten.

LRH: You didn't push a girl in that?

PC: No.

LRH: When did you stand around and think you might?

Commentator: Four-point fluctuation on this series of questions.

LRH: Did you insist it had to be filled back up?

PC: No.

LRH: Who did?

PC: I don't remember.

LRH: Did somebody tell you it had to be filled up right away because some girl was liable to be hurt?

PC: Well, I wasn't responsible. I don't know. That could have happened, though.

LRH: Could have happened. Wasn't particularly.

Commentator: Two-point drop and rise on this question.

LRH: As far back as you can recall, you've been very sensitive about women.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: Well, you must have hurt one badly - just one - that you can remember?

PC: I guess I don't want to remember it very bad.

LRH: Is it in this life?

PC: I thought so.

Commentator: Tone dropping very rapidly.

LRH: Yeah. Yeah, you must have hurt one badly.

Commentator: Eight points.

LRH: The age you hurt her will flash. (snap)

PC: Then I thought of Mother again.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

PC: I know it had something to do with my father.

LRH: You did something awful bad to her?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Birth? (snap)

PC: I got a "yeah" on that.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: When did your mother complain to you about birth?

PC: Gee, I don't recall her complaining about my birth.

LRH: Did she ever complain to you about her birth - your birth?

PC: No. She'd tell me mine was the easiest of the kids.

Commentator: Five-point fluctuation.

LRH: It was the easiest?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: But the rest were awfully difficult?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh-oh-oh, Yours, then, by comparison, still was pretty bad. Did she ever make the crack "After everything I've done for you..."?

PC: Lots of times.

LRH: "After everything ...

PC: Oh, no she'd not say it that way but that was the theme of it.

LRH: Uh-huh. Make you unhappy about it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you ever had the feeling that maybe you should contribute to her but you can't?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is this a big maybe?

PC: I don't think anymore, somehow.

Commentator: Two-Point rise.

LRH: It's there a little bit.

PC: Damn machine! (laugh)

LRH: You remember the first time you sat down and worried about this?

PC: I think of times, yes.

LRH: When did you make an effort to contribute to your mother, and your mother told you that it was not an effort to contribute to her and you - "maybe I can't contribute to my mother"?

PC: Divorce proceedings about '45, I think.

LRH: With her husband, your father?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What made you realize you couldn't contribute to her?

PC: She wouldn't let me. I mean, that's ...

LRH: Remember the moment of failure?

PC: Not particularly no.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Not offhand.

LRH: Not offhand.

PC: Just a general feeling there.

LRH: Yeah. Did you make - ever make any defenses - offenses against God?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm? Bad ones?

Commentator: Needle dropped two points.

PC: Hardly know how to evaluate it. I think so.

LRH: How about Christ - against Christ?

PC: I think no.

LRH: No? How about against mankind?

PC: I don't know that.

LRH: How about against children, little children? Did you ever run over a kid on a bicycle?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever run over a kid while you were on a scooter?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever knock a kid down and get him hurt?

PC: I think there might be something there.

LRH: Ever knock a little girl down and get her hurt?

PC: I think no.

LRH: No. Yes or no? Is the incident we're looking for in this life? (snap)

PC: Got a yes.

LRH: Yes?

Commentator: Fluctuation of three points and a drop.

LRH: The age of it will flash. (snap)

PC: I got ten again.

LRH: Ten again. What happened when - this "ten"?

PC: Gee, I don't even know where I was when I was ten.

LRH: Oh, gee. Well, when did you decide to forget it?

Commentator: Three-Point drop.

PC: When I was ten, Probably.

LRH: When you were ten?

Commentator: Five-Point drop.

LRH: Oh, you got a sort of inkling of it right now, haven't you?

PC: I've been listening to your lectures, I think.

Commentator: The needle has now dropped an additional two points, fluctuating back, and now in its original Position at start of this series.

PC: Sorry.

LRH: Just don't get it, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Well, all right. Now, as the remaining part of this, let me just ask you this and clarify this matter. It's a relief to have me stop questioning you, isn't it?

PC: It sure is.

LRH: Were we really on to - up to something hot? We almost get something awful hot?

Commentator: Needle event up about five points and now dropping, down to seven from the original position.

LRH: Real hot? Something you wouldn't dare face? (pause) Is this in an earlier life?

PC: Well ...

LRH: The basis on this hurting women - earlier life? (pause) Hurting mothers?

PC: I - I don't have any information on that.

LRH: Well, the machine does.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you ever hurt your mother in some earlier life?

Commentator: The needle fluctuating one point.

PC: I see that I could have.

LRH: Did you ever hurt your wife after she'd given birth to a baby?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Did you ever lose a wife giving birth to a baby?

Commentator: Two-point drop. Fluctuation three points.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Now we got it.

PC: Have we?

LRH: Can you remember something like that?

PC: I have a fertile imagination.

LRH: Go ahead, imagine it.

Commentator: Four-point drop.

LRH: Always happy to have somebody use a fertile imagination.

PC: Yeah, I could imagine certain events happening.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: The needle has dropped six points.

LRH: Is she a blonde or brunette?

PC: Dark hair, I got.

LRH: Did you bury her?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you ever shoot a woman?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

LRH: Did you ever choke one?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Tone lose one point.

LRH: Did you ever loot a town?

PC: Seems like an awful lot of effort.

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: No fluctuation.

LRH: Oh, it seems suddenly like a lot of effort to loot a town?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point change.

LRH: Burn it? Rape?

PC: (yawns)

LRH: Did you ever violate a temple?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Did you ever commit rape?

PC: (yawns) Yeah.

Commentator: A two-point drop.

LRH: Winding up in the death of the girl involved?

PC: That wouldn't be so pretty.

LRH: That wouldn't be pretty?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you do it?

PC: No.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: How about just plain strangling one?

PC: Yeah, I can see that.

LRH: How about biting the throat out of one?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

PC: I don't like that.

LRH: You don't like that?

PC: No, it's too messy.

LRH: They bleed, huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what have we got here?

Commentator: Needle went up three points and is now dropping to four, five points.

PC: Blood?

Commentator: Twelve points down.

LRH: Women's blood? Women's blood?

PC: Yep. I hear you.

LRH: Children's blood?

PC: That, too.

LRH: Your blood? Women's blood, huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Women's blood. What do you do, cut their throats? (The most accepted method.)

Commentator: Drop of three on "women's blood."

PC: Yeah, there's more blood there, I guess.

LRH: Yeah, more blood there. Do you ever have a cough?

PC: Not too much. No.

LRH: Was she pretty?

Commentator: Tone rise.

LRH: In order of magnitude, how many years ago was this?

PC: Not so far.

LRH: About five hundred years ago? Was she a nice girl till you came along?

PC: Yes, I think so.

LRH: Was she pretty? Was she somebody's wife?

PC: I thought no.

LRH: Was she a virgin?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Was she a nun?

PC: Oh, God.

LRH: Well, was she?

PC: Was she?

Commentator: A fluctuation of three Points, down and up.

LRH: Well, let's have it. Was she?

PC: Well, okay.

Commentator: Down three points again.

LRH: Well, she might have been, might not have been. How about hundreds of years ago, killing a woman hundreds of years ago. How about killing one thousands of years ago?

PC: Seems like it would be easier then than now.

LRH: Tens of thousands of years ago? Hundreds of thousands of years ago?

PC: Okay.

LRH: How about around a million years ago?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How about Facsimile One? You got Facsimile One?

PC: (mumble)

LRH: You didn't ever have it? Anybody try to audit it on you?

PC: Oh yeah, I've got it. But I mean, I haven't got it run out.

LRH: You haven't got it run out all the way?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever use Facsimile One on anybody?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: On a woman?

Commentator: Very slight fluctuation.

LRH: I must say, you're not very conscience-stricken about it. Well, are there a lot of overt acts all through these lives against women, finally tapering off to being scared of women?

Commentator: Tone rise two points.

LRH: Scared of hurting them? Are there?

PC: I don't know, might be.

LRH: Oh, just on a generality. How about this young girl that we were talking about? Blood.

PC: That seems more ...

LRH: Blood

Commentator: Two points, now dropping.

LRH: Blood. What did she do? Bleed and bleed and bleed?

Commentator: Five Points.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: After a while did you try to stop it? Or did you just stand there or go away?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Did you just stand there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Had she been untrue to you?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Don't know.

PC: I - I get the idea it was something else.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: What was it?

PC: All I remember was I was mad.

LRH: Lust? Lust, huh? And you just up and killed her?

PC: Served her right.

LRH: That good for her? Because she was a woman. What had a woman done to you just before that? Woman ever murder you?

Commentator: Point drop.

LRH: Girl ever kill you?

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation down.

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Well, I must say you've got this one pretty well buried.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got this pretty well buried. Did you bury her?

PC: I didn't tell.

LRH: You didn't tell, huh?

PC: Hm-mm.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: No, guess you didn't, And you're not going to tell now, are you? They finally find you?

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Oh, boy? They finally find you and hang you?

Commentator: Five points.

LRH: Who got you, her brother?

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Her father?

PC: No.

LRH: Did somebody catch up with you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The whole town?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Yeah, I guess they did.

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Were you a soldier?

PC: I thought not.

LRH: No. Were you a monk?

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Were you a gentleman?

PC: Wasn't!

LRH: Yeah. That was part of it, wasn't it? Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore.

PC: No.

Commentator: Tone's dropped five points.

LRH: Would that have convinced you you weren't a gentleman?

PC: I think it did pretty well.

LRH: Gee. Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir.

Commentator: Twelve-point drop.

LRH: Your loss of personal pride on this moment ... Is that where you lost your personal pride the last time? Admitting to yourself finally that you had done it?

Commentator: The needle is now hovering about ten points from the right edge of the scale.

LRH: The refusing to tell. Maybe you weren't a gentleman anymore if you could do things like this.

PC: No.

LRH: Do you have to restrain yourself because of this?

PC: Yeah, I have to watch.

LRH: You have to watch for what? The guys to come for you? Huh?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: The guys to come for you?

PC: No, the way I acted then.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: Would this have to be audited out?

PC: It depends on Fac One. I - I don't know.

LRH: Why don't you just go back to the - what would you kill her with? Which hand would you strike her with? (pause) Would you strike her?

PC: No, I don't think so.

LRH: With your right hand?

PC: Yeah, I could.

LRH: Strike her with your right hand?

Commentator: Two-point needle fluctuation.

LRH: Did your right hand hold a weapon?

PC: I get the idea I cut her on something that was stationary.

LRH: Threw her into something stationary...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... and cut her?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Cut what?

PC: Throat, breast.

LRH: Throat and breast?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Two points drop.

LRH: What did you do, throw her away from you?

PC: More like shoved, I think.

LRH: Shove her away from you? You can still hold on to the cans and do this, just imagine the position of your arms and start shoving this girl away from you.

PC: Yeah. Rrrrh. Pardon me.

LRH: Go ahead, shove her away.

Commentator: Preclear shoves. Tone rising, a three-point rise.

LRH: What's it feel like?

PC: I'm wondering. (laugh)

LRH: All right, let's get an imaginary visio. Let's just get an imaginary visio.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And just sit there and watch this imaginary visio: watch the blood flow back off the pavement into her body, and her come off of what she was shoved against and then sort of feel your arms pulling back to stand her upright. Now, just get - run that sequence.

Commentator: Tone dropped five points and is now rising, remaining stationary. Dropping two points, rising slowly.

LRH: Until she's again upright.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah. I did once.

LRH: All right, let's run her again. Let's just do that - just consistently, over and over and over and over.

Commentator: Drop of one point, hovering back. Needle is fluctuating about two points, dropping and then rising.

PC: Seems peculiar.

Commentator: Remaining stationary now.

LRH: What's peculiar?

PC: It's going backwards.

Commentator: Dropping one point.

LRH: All right, keep rolling it.

PC: (yawns)

LRH: What was her name? (snap)

PC: I got the name of a person a preclear gave me and it was the name of a bad girl.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation.

LRH: What is it?

PC: Alicia.

LRH: Was her name Alicia?

PC: No.

LRH: No? It says yes.

Commentator: Two Points drop.

LRH: Go on, pick her up.

Male voice: Ron, the same girl? (laughter)

LRH: Pick her up. Why, out of all the names preclears have given you for women, does this one stand in your mind?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort now to...

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: ... pour the blood back into her body and your effort to bring her upright - draw her upright with your hands.

Commentator: Rising now - up. Fluctuating approximately two Points around the center of the dial.

LRH: Do it again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort to do it again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get your effort to do it now. (pause) Having a hard time finding the effort?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's find the emotion. Feel the apathy after you realize that nothing could be done about it, and then track your emotions right backward to the moment you push her.

PC: (clears throat)

LRH: Mm-hm? That's right. I call to your attention - not because I'd call this to a preclear's attention - but you got her throat hitting, didn't you? Did you or didn't you?

PC: What's that?

LRH: Her throat hitting. Did you feel a constriction in your throat?

PC: I didn't notice.

Commentator: Mentioned the word "throat," two-point drop.

LRH: You cleared your throat. All right, let's get her back again. Run that emotion backwards up to the time just before you shove her.

PC: I find I'm getting distracted, Ron.

LRH: Getting what?

PC: Distracted.

LRH: By what?

PC: The audience, I guess. I don't know.

LRH: Oh. Get your postulate right there that you aren't there; it didn't happen. You'll tell people that you weren't there. Go on, get your postulate. You know what it is. Postulates are there, aren't they?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, get it.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation. Rising now Now dropping about seven Points.

LRH: All right, now run through the incident forwards, and just feel the reality of the environment just go right on down the Tone Scale as she falls, hits, so forth.

Commentator: Needle mooting slowly to the right, tone dropping.

LRH: Feel your sphere of influence now just close right on down as she falls.

Commentator: Dropping again, coming back up.

LRH: Can you get that concept? All right, do it again. Feel as though you're - start in and feel as though you own a great deal, then you're going to hold on to what you own, and then feel it taper right on off to nothing. And then feel the end. (pause) Did you get it? Are you getting it plainer now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let's get that reality just closing right on - sphere of influence closing right on in. Get that sphere of influence closing right on in now.

Commentator: Tone has dropped about twelve points.

LRH: Dwindling just to nothing.

Commentator: Rising four points.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You got it?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What's it dwindling in ratio to? I mean, at what points does it dwindle the most?

PC: To her, you mean?

LRH: To you.

Commentator: Two points.

LRH: We're talking about your reality. Do you just switch valence in it? (snap)

PC: I don't know.

Commentator: It's a three-point drop, four-point drop.

LRH: All right, let's get your sphere of reality closing right on down to nothing.

PC: Yes, yes, faster that time.

LRH: Get it again.

Commentutor: Four-point drop, fluctuation back to original position.

LRH: And again.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Going very fast now.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

PC: Well, it didn't - hung up the last time.

LRH: All right. Get your unwillingness to communicate with any part of this. First, yau're wide-open on communication. Just get your communication to closing down to nothing. You're on to a point where it's reversing; you don't want to communicate,

PC: (yawns)

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Get it again.

Commentator: Fluctuation back to original position.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get it again. It's easier, isn't it?

PC: Mm-hm. Right.

Commentator: A one-point fluctuation.

LRH: Do it again.

Commentator: Two-point drop, coming back to original position.

LRH: All right, now get the way your affinity runs. Much earlier, how do you feel about her? Before you push her, how do you feel about her? Well before you push her, how do you feel about her?

PC: I liked her very much.

LRH: Well, get that feeling: liking her very much and then down, down, down the Tone Scale to the bottom.

Commentator: Three-Point rise.

LRH: How does it go?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating on one point.

PC: Well, I - I liked her, and then the next thing I know I'm angry.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Two-point drop-three, four; now rising one, two.

PC: I hated her; push her. I see that...

Commentator: Still moving up - three Points up.

PC: I see that I killed her.

Commentator: Now in original position.

LRH: Mm-hm, Which one of those emotions are most real to you as you go down the line?

PC: The hate.

LRH: The hate. Run hatred through the incident.

PC: (yawns)

LRH: Run it again through the incident.

Commentator: Two-point fluctuation as the preclear runs hatred.

LRH: All right, now run the entire emotional gamut through the incident. (pause)

Commentator: Needle remains stationary in this run.

LRH: Try it again.

Commentator: Now up one point.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: It's harder to hold on to right now.

LRH: It's getting hard to hold on to?

PC: A slight fading - l don't know if I'm ...

LRH: All right, Now, run the feeling of apathy, and you will have to endure it somehow, wherever it occurs there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got that? Is that very plain?

Commentator: Three-point drop.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, just scan that wherever it occurs there.

PC: Well, that seems to be from - from that point until the trial or then whatever happened after that.

LRH: All right, scan it: feeling of apathy.

Commentator: Three-point drop during this questioning rising one point.

PC: I get I am ...

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, I got it.

LRH: Do it again. Do you get a feeling of enduring?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's run this feeling of enduring. (pause) Do it again: feeling of enduring. (pause) Once more. (pause)

Commentator: Tone has now come up five Points.

PC: It just seems to be waiting.

LRH: All right, run that feeling of waiting through there.

Commentator: A three-point drop, moving back two points.

LRH: Run it again.

Commentator: Again, three-point drop. Tone up.

LRH: What visio are you picking up now?

PC: I'm looking at a stone wall.

LRH: A stone wall.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's the connection with the stone wall?

PC: Well, this is where I kill her.

LRH: Oh. What are you waiting for there at the stone wall?

PC: Somebody to come and get me and punish me, I guess. I don't know.

LRH: Yeah, so you were.

Commentator: Four-Point drop

LRH: All right, run that feeling.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Run it again.

PC: Yeah, it's very plain.

LRH: Very plain.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that where this incident's hung up?

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Five-Point fluctwztion.

LRH: Yeah. All right, let's run it again - that feeling. All right, let's draw her upright again. Let's put the blood back in her body and draw her upright again and stand her up. (pause) Let's do it again.

Commentator: Needle drops two points and returns to original position as the preclear runs through this.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Let's do it again.

Commentator: Just had a very deep drop: ten, twelue points.

PC: I realize what it is, it's backwards!

LRH: Sure. Sure. Do it again.

Commentator: Dropping another two points.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

LRH: Get the physical effort of pulling her upright now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: And again.

Commentator: The needle is fluctuating; gradually moving off to the left.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Physical effort of pulling her upright now.

Commentator: Tone rising about five points.

PC: Well, I'm just locked there - I mean I ...

LRH: What is it? It's what?

PC: I said I'm locked there. I'm kind of paralyzed, too.

LRH: Mm-hm, all right. Get that feeling as you pull her up again.

Commentator: Two points drop, tone band fluctuating.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And once more. Are you busting loose from that spot yet?

PC: Yeah, I - I can get her to where - before.

LRH: Oh, you can?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, let's run her backwards some more.

Commentator: One-point needle fluctuation.

LRH: What's happening?

PC: A fantasy.

LRH: What's the fantasy?

Commentator: Three-Point drop

PC: I was kissing her this time.

LRH: All right, run her back. Allright. (pause)

Commentator: Now back to original position.

LRH: Run her back again. (pause) And again. (pause) What's happening when you do that?

PC: I'm not getting it as clear; I - I've got to kind of put her on the floor again and - and I sort of ...

LRH: Is it trying to run forwards? (pause) Well, pull her backwards again.

PC: Uh-huh. (mumbles)

Commentator: Needle fluctuating.

LRH: Mm-hm. Pull her backwards again.

Commentator: Range around three Points.

LRH: Tell me when it starts to run forwards. Pull her backwards again.

PC: I think it's trying to run forward now.

LRH: You having a harder and harder time to pull it backwards? Pull it backwards a couple of more times.

Commentator: Preclear runs this backwards; the needle fluctuates by a swing of three points.

PC: (pause) It's going again.

LRH: What's happening?

PC: She's going against the wall now.

LRH: She is? You getting motion in this now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Gee! Pull her backwards some more. (pause) Now this time, feel your reality...

Commentator: Tone has dropped four points.

LRH: This time, feel your reality expand. Feel it at its smallest point of reality while you're waiting, and then feel your whole reality of the world open up around you. Just run it backward and feel that expansion of the - in the environment.

PC: Nothing.

LRH: Do it again.

Commentator: Needle has moved extreme right.

LRH: All right. Now, is there a sequence like "Not wanting to touch her, wanting to touch her, not wanting to touch her," as you run backwards?

PC: I didn't hit it.

LRH: All right, let's get that tactile. Let's run all feeling of tactile backwards now.

PC: Mm.

LRH: What have you got?

Commentator: Needle fluctuating three points.

PC: I'm going over it. Didn't want to touch her.

LRH: Good.

PC: I'm to the point where I - I wanted to touch her, but not like this.

LRH: Oh, sure.

PC: I mean, it gets kind of confused.

LRH: Okay. Let's run that again.

Commentator: Needle dropping seven - four points fluctuation as the preclear runs this Particular phase.

LRH: Do it again.

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards now.

Commentator: Needle, three-point fluctucltion.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let's run looking at her backwards again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, let's run hearing her backwards.

Commentator: Very slight motion of the needle, one point.

PC: I can do that.

LRH: Hearing her backwards again. (pause) What have you got?

PC: Her hollering at me.

LRH: All right, run it backwards.

Commentator: The tone has now dropped another three points, fluctuating on a three-point drop.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And backwards again.

PC: It seems to be going the other way

LRH: Oh, going the other way. All right, let her holler. Run it forwards.

Commentator: Tone has dropped the slightest bit over to the right.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Make you feel good?

PC: Not particularly.

LRH: All right, let her run forwards again. Get that nice mellow voice at first, and then let's find out what happens to her.

PC: I started to tell you she was mad at me too.

LRH: Okay. Justified, huh?

PC: (laugh)

Commentator: The needle has moved to the extreme right. Sensitivity control now being adjusted.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Roll it again.

Commentator: Sensitivity control now at 8.

LRH: Getting sonic on it?

PC: A little.

LRH: A little?

PC: Conceptual... (mumbles)

LRH: Conceptual sonic?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes or no: You been trying to close her voice out? (snap)

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Not very seriously though. Okay. Now, let's run your body position straight through, forward.

Commentator: One-point fluctuating.

PC: Doesn't seem to be too much there.

LRH: You don't change too much?

PC: No.

Commentator: Quick drop.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel emotionally at this moment?

PC: Right now here in present time? I've got the shakes.

LRH: You getting shaky over this?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. And long as this is just a demonstration to give techniques, rather than otherwise, how about scanning off the incident?

Commentator: Three-point drop, needle rising slowly.

LRH: Scan it off again.

Commentator: Needle continues to rise.

PC: Yes.

LRH: You remember when you agreed to run this incident?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation and rising.

LRH: Remember when you agreed to be a demonstration subject?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: Mm-hm, Remember when you agreed to go back and pick up that facsimile and run it?

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Needle rising.

LRH: Do you recall now agreeing to scan over the session?

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: One-point fluctuation.

LRH: Agreeing to run it backwards?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you recall your postulate that you had the shakes?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you have them now?

Commentator: Needle in original - highest position reached yet.

PC: Not as bad.

LRH: Are they less?

PC: Yes.

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: All right. You know what it is that's holding them in suspension.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, what is it?

PC: I thought Fac One.

LRH: Fac One.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What part of Fac One?

Commentator: One-point drop.

LRH: An overt-act use of Fac One?

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Huh?

PC: Don't know that. Could be - this is it.

LRH: Is it? Huh?

PC: I mean, that was it!

LRH: That was it? Oh, we're running an overt use of Fac One, Hurting and killing somebody?

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Uh-huh. You running on an emotional shut-off?

PC: Don't know.

LRH: Is there an emotional shut-off in the incident we've just been running?

PC: Could be. Yeah.

Commentator: Very slight needle fluctuation.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it enduring? Why don't you just flick the postulate. (snap)

PC: Just like that?

LRH: Yeah, just pick it up. What's the postulate that shuts off your emotions?

Commentator: One-point drop.

PC: "There seems to be no use caring."

LRH: Hm? All right. Where were you when you thought there was no use caring about it?

PC: Knocking her against the wall.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

LRH: Uh-huh."No use caring."

Commentator: Three-point drop.

LRH: Can you get the feeling that goes along with the postulate?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Why did you get this feeling?

Commentator: Tone arm rising two points.

PC: (sigh) Oh, it's kind of involved.

LRH: Kind of involved.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: This got anything to do with your mother? Who does this girl look like?

PC: Several people.

LRH: Can you see the difference between this girl and those people?

PC: Yeah. Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah?

Commentator: One-point rise.

LRH: She look like your sister?

PC: No.

LRH: Mother?

Commentator: Slight fluctuation.

PC: I - maybe when Mother was that young, I don't know.

LRH: Girlfriend?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Definitely your girlfriend?

Commentator: Tone rising.

LRH: All right. You see the difference between them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make you feel any different to feel the difference between these two women? You don't have to feel better.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: You don't know. There's still a maybe on this.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is this Fac One?

Commentator: A slight fluctuation.

LRH: Overt use of Fac One?

Commentator: Two points drop.

LRH: Is there a lot of grief on this incident?

Commentator: One-point, two-point drop.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You know what the Boohoo is?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about the Boohoo?

Commentator: Two-point, three-point drop.

PC: I've never been there yet.

LRH: You never been there yet, huh? How about the Helper?

PC: I'm not too aquainted with it, in fact.

LRH: Helper? Splitting in half.

Commentator: Tone arm rise. Two- to three-point rise

PC: Maybe confused it with embryologic encounter.

LRH: Yeah. The Boohoo, huh? Is there an emotional shut-off in the Boohoo?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: I've considered it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... but I don't know.

LRH: Is your emotion shut off in the Boohoo?

PC: I think not.

LRH: A little bit.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Little bit, a little bit. You wouldn't mind running the Boohoo?

PC: No, no I don't think so.

LRH: That's the one we ought to be running on your case; obviously an emotional blockage to some degree.

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: But you could overcome all that.

Commentator: Three-point rise.

LRH: Okay. Why don't you work the chart on the handbook by yourself on an overt act on attitudes for a change? Would you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

PC: Thank you, Ron.

LRH: You're welcome.

[to audience] The demonstration, as in any demonstration which contains grief, was run mainly to show you auditing procedure, auditing procedure.

The one thing that was omitted heavily, because the preclear was not feeling it, was his own physical effort and counter-effort, and I did not run any counter-emotion out of it.

Now, actually if you were running this in an auditing room you would have let him run this with his hands, and so on.

I was showing you the technique of auditing an overt act, rather than auditing an overt act.

If I'd been working this preclear, I would have stopped running this incident immediately that I could see that there was an emotional shut, and I would have gone and found what we call the Boohoo - which will be described later - and gotten this incident, gotten this track loosened up; gotten the emotion loosened up on the track.

Because service facsimile is not registering on the machine, and the Boohoo is registering on the machine. The Boohoo registering a little heavier than these other incidents.

But here we have only one incident showing, really. Two incidents are showing on this track: women, Mother, getting a registry on the machine. An overt act against this girl was getting registry on the machine as he was walking over it, therefore establishing some actuality to it, although he probably would have changed the details a bit as he kept on running, which you could expect to happen. And we were getting registry on what we call the Boohoo, and we're getting no registry on Fac One, and a very tiny little registry on overt act of Fac One. Now, I didn't ask him for either B.E., or B.T.*B.E. = Before Earth, B.T. = Before Time

Want to come back here and see if there's a registry on B,E. or B.T. ? Just as a check, just make me a thorough investigation on this?

Most people get a registry on Service Facsimile One.

LRH: Machine will warm up there in a moment. (pause) Okay. What are you dropping on?

PC: I was thinking of the Service Fac.

LRH: You were thinking of the Service Facsimile One?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's it all of a sudden loosened up on you?

Commentator: Half-a-point drop.

PC: No. No, I think I considered myself invalidated because I thought I was running it.

LRH: Oh, is this a drop on considering yourself invalidated?

PC: I believe so.

LRH: Oh, no. You're not invalidated, you can run Service Facsimile One. It is just a matter of what I would do according to the - you're not invalidated.

PC: Oh.

LRH: So scan out that feeling. Now, all I'm doing is giving a demonstration on what the machine registers. And as a matter of fact, how are you doing with Service Facsimile One? Good?

PC: I seem to have no trouble.

LRH: No - have no trouble with it. Well, that's fine, fine. Is it latched up in any way on Before Earth?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

LRH: An incident just before you came here? (pause) Or how about before all time?

Commentator: Two-point rise.

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Well, I'm just looking. Was the reason why you were not registering a Service Facsimile One very heavily because you've already run some emotion off of it?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: I think I have run something off of it.

LRH: You've run some emotion off of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes, you have.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating rising.

LRH: And you consider that incident in pretty good control, don't you?

PC: Yeah. I'm not worried about it.

LRH: So of course you're not getting a reaction on it.

Commentator: One-point rise.

LRH: That explains it. So you're not considering yourself invalidated. Okay. Well, your case is in good shape. If it's shut down on any other emotion level, why, take a crack at the Boohoo and run that. But I certainly wouldn't transfer off of Service Facsimile One if you're running it okay. Very good, thank you.

Some sort of an idea what you're up against, demonstrationally, on that.

If you'll notice, I call to your attention the fact that you're - every once in a while as I had him running this backwards, I would get a sigh. And actually, that sigh indicates, to some degree, that there's grief lying back of it. When you see a preclear sighing about something, it's normally there's some grief on it.

I could have run him on this, and run him on this and run him on this, actually just as I was going, and blown loose some grief. But it's highly unlikely to do that before a Large group of people.

Although you will find in a great many preclears the overt act so hot that as you start to scan it backwards and start to run it, it wouldn't matter if they were in Grand Central Station or the Yankee Stadium, they would cry, because a service facsimile is very hot, so on.

Okay. This should give you some idea of auditing. The first session of that was simply Straightwire. And Straightwire is something like playing chuck-a-luck at Las Vegas: you win a very small percentage of the time. You do Straightwire on a preclear, very often - often enough to justify it - a few questions will blow open a large computation in his life, just bang! Blow it open, and he'll do a resurgence up the Tone Scale, quite marked.

So it's always worth testing, But not worth testing for more than a half an hour at a clip. And then I went into what would be a straight overt-act auditing session on him.

And thank you very much.